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    PICkitPlus

    PICkitPlus is a total replacement for the existing Microchip PICkit2™ and PICkit3™ Windows GUI software. The PICkitPlus software provides a journey to the PICkit2™ and PICkit3™ to support the latest generation of Microchip microcontrollers.

    PICkitPlus for the PICkit™ 2 and PICkit™ 3 applications are called PICkit 2Plus, PICkit 3Plus and PICkitCommandLine.

    The intent of PICkit 2Plus and the PICkit 3Plus is to support programming of any 8-bit PIC microcontroller. The capabilities include:
    • Three software elements
      • PICkit 3Plus Graphical user interface application. Specific solution for the PICkit™ 3 In-Circuit Debugger/Programmer
      • PICkit 2Plus Graphical user interface application. Specific solution for the PICkit™ 2 In-Circuit Debugger/Programmer
      • PICkit Command line user interface application. Supports both PICkit™ 2 and 3 In-Circuit Debugger/Programmer
    • New programming protocol support for new classes of Microchips PIC microcontrollers
    • Updated and managed 8-bit Microchips PIC microcontroller database
    • Improved user interface
    • Improved Help, guidance and direct access to the 8-bit Microchips PIC microcontroller database
    • USB (Full speed 12 Mbits/s interface to host PC)
    • Great Cow BASIC IDE and MPLAB IDE-X compatible for programming and debugging.
    • Supports low voltage to 2.0 volts (2.0v to 6.0v range)
    • Read/write program and data memory of microcontroller including EEPROM and HEF/SAF
    • Erase of program memory space with verification
    PICkitPlus for the PICkit™ 2 and PICkit™ 3 programmers provided the following benefits:
    • Windows 10, 8.x, 7 and XP support
    • HEF/SAF support
    • Improved parts discovery with protection
    • Improved installer
    • PICkit™ 2 and PICkit™ 3 In-Circuit Debugger/Programmer support in one package
    • Support for 8-bit microcontrollers such as the 16f18xxx, 18f2xKxx ranges and more - the intent is to support all 8-bit microcontrollers.
    • Improved support by using common code across both the PICkit™ 2 and PICkit™ 3 In-Circuit Debugger/Programmer
    • Access to the online managed parts database within the user interface.


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    Default Re: PICKitPlus Forum

    Interesting as this appears to provide updated support for old PICKit2 and PICKit3's. Does it support a command line interface to provide one click programming from within the IDE?

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    PICkit Command line user interface application. Supports both PICkit™ 2 and 3 In-Circuit Debugger/Programmer
    Evan, maybe you can expand on this feature, cand the CLI be used from within our IDE ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lester View Post
    Evan, maybe you can expand on this feature, cand the CLI be used from within our IDE ?


    The intent is that the CLI supports any IDE. The CLI is a new application with no legacy code. This means we are the design authority for the application.

    We should test to ensure full operation but if the IDE can make a programmer CLI call with parameters then it should work as expected.

    Please the user guide to provide more insights. See http://www.pickitplus.co.uk/document...KitCommandLine User Guide.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by normnet View Post
    Interesting as this appears to provide updated support for old PICKit2 and PICKit3's. Does it support a command line interface to provide one click programming from within the IDE?

    Norm
    PICkitPlus is a major update of the Microchip PICkit 2 and Microchip PICkit 3 programmer software to support the latest Microchip microcontrollers, support Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 10.

    PICkitPlus is not simply an update to the microcontroller database, but contains new application code and new procotols to support programming the latest Microchip microcontrollers.

    PICkitPlus includes many new features and fixes including a new CLI application - please see http://www.pickitplus.co.uk/document...er%20Guide.pdf for the current set of parameters.

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    May seem dumb but where is a link to a download?

    BTW I'm happy to donate and will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    May seem dumb but where is a link to a download?

    BTW I'm happy to donate and will do.
    The plan is to create a specific build in conjunction with Lester and move support to this forum. I am very pleased to do this.

    Meanwhile, pop over to www.pickitplus.co.uk for the link to the donation pages. We then send the user specific very shortly afterwards.

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    Pickit Plus does work great with PDS, including from within the IDE.
    I set up two programmer entries; one for 5 volts and one for 3.3 volts. I used the string:
    Code:
    -w -e -a5 -pPIC$target-device$ -f"$hex-filename$" -mpce -d5
    for 5 volts and
    Code:
    -w -e -a3.3 -pPIC$target-device$ -f"$hex-filename$" -mpce -d5
    for 3.3 volts. It works like a charm, PLUS, you can plug in either the Pickit 2 OR the Pickit 3 using the same programmer entry.
    I wish I had this a long time ago. It's much better than the original from Microchip. ....and no, I don't work for the people who developed it. I'm just a happy user.

    -Rick

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    Welcome to the forum Evan.

    It would be good to try the software and the device support it has before purchasing. Maybe a time limited version, or a version that works with the Amicus18 board devices only. i.e. 18F25K20 and 18F25K22 so people can test it out? I will gladly promote it in the compiler manuals, and maybe write a section on it, and add the command line to the compiler's installer, but I will need to test it out fully before doing so, and know what future support there will be.

    Unfortunately, I've seen many, many device programmers of the past come and go, and they have not released any source before they terminated, so the programmer hardware just sits in its dust. LOL
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    Yes - it would be a good idea to get the message out there.

    A Proton IDE user create the guide, shown below, this should assist in usage of PICKitPlus - I was not able to post the PDF as the file as 79kb. I will gladly share.
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    We did have a trial version of the software initially but we withdrew. The trial version had a time delay on programming (we are not that smart) but with hindsight this may not have promoted the software as most people just waited for the programming event to happen after the 20 seconds delay.

    The 18F25K20 and 18F25K22 microcontrollers are supported but I will send @Lester software to review etc.

    I should clarify. We are software only. We do not do any hardware or any mods to the existing PICkit programmer(s). One of the design constraints I laid out very early was no change the PICkit programmer(s) Operating System and to-date we are not planning to revise the PICkit programmer(s) Operating System.

    Explicitly regarding the 18F25K20 and 18F25K22 - these are legacy microcontrollers from a PICkitPlus point of view. A user does not require PICkitPlus to program - they can use the old Microchip software (with all its features and issues ) but user can take the PICkitPlus microcontroller database that we maintain and pubkish. See https://github.com/Anobium/PICKitPlus for the download to the PICkitPlus microcontroller database. If we need to add an explicit microcontroller(s) and someone has a older PICkit microcontroller database I guess we could merge/add/correct any microcontroller(s) information.

    Summary - thank you for promoting. :-) We are very grateful

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    Hi Evan,
    I am interested but as Les has said, it would be good if there was a demo with just the Amicus18 devices so it could be tested for functionality, look and feel.
    I notice you say it supports 8bit but is it likely to cater for the PIC24 devices that PDS supports?
    Is it likely to include the PicKit4 at a later date.

    Regards,
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    Understand. Les has the software, provided last night. So, we should get a view on the Amicus18.

    We test and focus on 8-bit, but, we have not removed or changed the PIC24 (or, other microcontrollers ) capabilities. I have update the microcontroller database for non-8 bit microcontrollers as people have provided the required changes.

    Re: PICKit4 and SNAP. If someone wants to donate programmers then we can look into this. Microchip Programmer Business Unit do not want to send us one... I did ask. :-)

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    I have not received any software Evan!

    Sorry if this seems a strange question, but I can get no information from your web site. What exactly does the software do? Does it just add newer devices to the PICkit programmers?

    I've always, really, disliked the way the PICkit programmers had to have firmware bootloaded to them everytime a different device is chosen. I've bricked 2 PICkits with continuous change of device.

    What I was once going to do was simply use the PICkits as the hardware platform and create new firmware for it that only required parameters sent to it, because PIC and PIC24 and dsPIC devices all have a similar programming mechanism, it's usually just changes in timings and flash sizes for erase and programming, and voltages that require altering. Also, sometimes a different command sequence for entering program mode. But these could easily be placed on the device within the PICkit2, and especially the PICkit3, and it would change internally for the device family and the extra bits and pieces sent to it from the programming software. The PICkit clones from China can be bought for a lot less than the components would cost. :-) If a whole new device family are created or added, then a bootload of new firmware would be done to add them to the hardware.

    It was logistics that made it difficult at the time, because there were so many devices and so little time to create the data for each device.

    The PICkit PC applications were open source, if I remember, and were originally in Borland C, then in C#. I remember years ago making changes to the PC programmer application because it did not have a mechanism for command line info, and it all had to be done in the Windows GUI. That's when I got my first experience with C#, and what a dreadful language it is. LOL A Bastardisation of C, C++ and Visual BASIC.! It can't quite make up its mind what language it actually is, and is an interpreted language so it is slow to operate and slow to power up in the first place from the command line. :-)
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    How strange you have not received. See the log below, and, we have no error message today from a rejection.

    2019.02.28 19:53:25 (Thu)------------Start of Session-----------------
    Blat v2.6.2 w/GSS encryption (build : Feb 25 2007 12:06:19)
    Sending Z:\public_html\distros\{obfuscated data}\email.txt to [email protected], [email protected]
    Subject: PICKit Plus distribution - Latest release with the new parts database
    Login name is [email protected]
    2019.02.28 19:53:28 (Thu)-------------End of Session------------------



    > Sorry if this seems a strange question, but I can get no information from your web site. What exactly does the software do? Does it just add newer devices to the PICkit programmers?
    Posted previously in the forum, but, I will summarize.

    The software is intended to make programming of the 8-bit PICs easier. The goal is to extend the life of the PICkit2 and PICkit3 Programmers.


    The PICkitPlus capabilities include:


    • Three software elements - the software in your package is specific to you and the donation.
    1. PICkit 3 Graphical user interface application. Specific solution for the PICkit™ 3 In-Circuit Debugger/Programmer
    2. PICkit 2 Graphical user interface application. Specific solution for the PICkit™ 2 In-Circuit Debugger/Programmer
    3. PICkit Command line user interface application. Supports both PICkit™ 2 and 3 In-Circuit Debugger/Programmer
    • New programming protocol support for new classes of 8-bit Microchips PIC microcontrollers
    • New support for setting Microchip PIC UserIDs
    • Updated and managed 8-bit Microchips PIC microcontroller database with online version checker
    • Improved user interface
    • HEF/SAF support with optional automatic merging
    • Improved Help, guidance and direct access to the 8-bit Microchips PIC microcontroller database.
    • USB (Full speed 12 Mbits/s interface to host PC) & IDE compatible for programming.




    > Ive always, really, disliked the way the PICkit programmers had to have firmware bootloaded to them everytime a different device is chosen. I've bricked 2 PICkits with continuous change of device.
    We do not change the bootloader, we use a database. I have also bricked a number of programmers and one of our design constraints is to ensure we do not change the booloader.


    > What I was once going to do was simply use the PICkits as the hardware platform and create new firmware for it that only required parameters sent to it, because PIC and PIC24 and dsPIC devices all have a similar programming mechanism, it's usually just changes in timings and flash sizes for erase and programming, and voltages that require altering. Also, sometimes a different command sequence for entering program mode. But these could easily be placed on the device within the PICkit2, and especially the PICkit3, and it would change internally for the device family and the extra bits and pieces sent to it from the programming software. The PICkit clones from China can be bought for a lot less than the components would cost. :-) IF a whole new family are created or added, then a bootload of new firmware would be done.
    This is what Microchip started to do... manage the process but they stopped in 2012. We have now added new families and we simply send the parameters, from the database, for all microcontrollers. The new microcontroller database has all the required information.



    >It was logistics that made it difficult at the time, because there were so many devices and so little time to create the data for each device.
    We have 933 microcontrollers in the new microcontroller database. We have added several hundred but we have scripts that now add the microcontrollers. As you say - a big number and some times only a few parameters change between microcontrollers.

    We now manage the new microcontroller database and the software is enabled to inform the user of updates, so, they can download.

    Also, when we update the software or the new microcontroller database we inform the users.



    > The PICkit PC applications are open source, if I remember, and were originally in Borland C, then in C#. I remember years ago making changes to the PC programmer application because it did not have a mechanism for command line info, and it all had to be done in the Windows GUI. That's when I got my first experience with C#, and what a dreadful language it is. LOL A Bastardisation of C, C++ and Visual BASIC.! It can't quite make up its mind what language it actually is, and is an interpreted language so it is slow to operate and slow to power up in the first place from the command line. :-)
    I do not know the history re Borland. All code is C#. We have rewritten the command line utility completely from the ground up. It was dreadful. Very poor. So, cannot disagree.



    Let me know directly if you have not received the email re the software - the automated process has not failed us yet. :-)
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    I have just send a test email to your email account. [email protected]

    This is very odd as I am not getting any failure reports here.

    Evan

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