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    Default New PICkit 4 available

    The low-cost PICkit 4 in-circuit programming and debugging development tool is meant to replace the popular PICkit 3 programmer by offering five times faster programming, a wider voltage range (1.2-5V), improved USB connectivity and more debugging interface options.

    For more information about the MPLAB PICkit 4 development tool including purchase, visit here

    Its not as of yet determined for certain if the PICkit 4 will work on existing software so updates may be required sometime after testing and development is completed.

    First PICkit 4 ship date 3-13-2018.

    Norm
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    Default Re: New PICkit 4 available

    Thanks Norm! Did not know there was a Pickit 4 coming, have just ordered one.

    They are in stock at Microchip Direct and it says it will be with me in a few days.

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    Default Re: New PICkit 4 available

    Hello
    Hey Simon will you give us a short review when you try it out.
    Gary

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    Default Re: New PICkit 4 available

    Certainly will do that, I'm looking forward to a bit more speed though I find it hard to believe it really is five times faster.

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    Default Re: New PICkit 4 available

    Does it have a UI that does not involve Mplabs?
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    Default Re: New PICkit 4 available

    Supposedly it also works with MPLABX IPE (ver 4.15).

    I haven't looked to see if there are command-line drivers yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    Supposedly it also works with MPLABX IPE (ver 4.15).

    I haven't looked to see if there are command-line drivers yet.
    I emailed "MPLAB PICkit 4 Part Support" asking if there is command line support for 3rd party IDE's.

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    Default Re: New PICkit 4 available

    Yes, that's pretty well essential. John

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    Default Re: New PICkit 4 available

    I looked in the IPECMD docs for the newly released V4.15 and the PK4 isn't mentioned yet.

    I'd imagine they'll be adding it now that the PK4 is actually being delivered. They still don't even have a manual for it on the website!

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    What makes these PICkit programmers tic as far as data transfer? Don't they require loading the correct file from the PC to know how to interface with a specific micro in order to load the hex file?

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    Default Re: New PICkit 4 available

    It depends on the programmer.

    The old Pickit2 and ICD2 were self-contained. They could be updated, but they held all of the algorithms internally and didn't need to download anything.

    That changed with the Pickit3 and ICD3. These only contain the algorithm for a single family of devices and have to swap out firmware when you change. To this day that's caused lots of issues. Sometimes it works fine, other times not so much. In the early days it was fairly easy to brick the programmer, requiring you to pop open the case and reflash it with another programmer.

    Rumor has it with the Pickit4/ICD4 they're back to the old method, so no swapping programs when you change devices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    ...Rumor has it with the Pickit4/ICD4 they're back to the old method, so no swapping programs when you change devices.
    If rumors are correct then perhaps Mplabs will simply send PICkit4 the hex file with the other programming parameters as does now in command line with little else to complicate reverse engineering the protocol?

    The hex file is a known so any additional data sent from Mplabs could be detected for analysis.

    That said a Microchip supplied command line would be strongly preferred but its interesting to look this over as well.

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    You have to have a program of some sorts to communicate to the tool. I think it's just a little early yet*.

    The MPLABX IPE v4.15 programming app handles the pickit4, just no command-line driver.
    According to the readme, the MPLABX IPECMD command-line driver supports the following tools (-TP):
    MPLAB REAL ICE RICE
    MPLAB ICD 4 - ICD4
    MPLAB ICD 3 ICD3
    PICKIT 3 PK3
    MPLAB PM3 PM3
    PKOB - PKOB
    So they added the new ICD4 to the list recently. For kicks I just tried 'IPECMD -TPPK4' and it came back with 'invalid programmer name'.

    They still have some of the old legacy command line drivers too (PK3CMD, ICD3CMD), but if you want to use a pickit2
    then you'll need the old PK2CMD from MPLAB8. The IPE can't use the pickit2, but the full-blown MPLABX IDE can. Go figure.

    *either that or the command line driver won't ever support the PK4.
    THAT would be typical of microchip these days!

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    I've just realised that the Infinite Monkey Theorum was wrong: they wouldn't produce the works of William Shakespeare, they would produce PICkit4!!!

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    Ahhhh. THAT explains the new dept they opened up after the recent Atmel acquisition!

    Something tells me it's time to buy stock in bananas...

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